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At -- again, apparently three more awaiting outside while gunshots were going off, after -- even after they'd left and children were inside bleeding out, you obviously have a culture problem inside that sheriff's department where those deputies were outside coral springs officers came in and were like what the heck are you guys doing? and i keep going back to 9/11 and the faces of those firemen walking up those stairs as people were walking down knowing they would not see the light of day again. >> it's interesting to see law enforcement experts to a man, the first rule is you've got to go fin...

Were granting a right. guns in the eyes of the second amendment defenders, you're trying to take a right away from them. >> except these kids want the right to go to school without being afraid. >> right, but if you're talking about guns, that's a difficult one. >> except for the fact that anybody that reads the constitution and knows the constitution knows that having military style weapons is specifically not protected by the second amendment as interpreted by this conservative court. >> jon meacham, thank you very much. >> thank you, jon. and by the way, we'll get you and chernow together. ...

>> well said. can i just say for a second, jojon meacham when billy graham came on and he was quite beautiful, encompassing the guy, the moment, the career. as for what we're talking about, i have noticed in history sometimes people can tool along in obscurity until a disaster happens and they have within him the exact talents for disaster. so it's an interesting thing. there's an old saying -- the hero comes when he is need ed. when our belief is pale and weak there comes a man who is bright and shining and everyone around him reflects some of that glow

And mothers of charlotte or nash vul or any other potential hub in the south ii'd be make ago phone call. >> and by the way, you know what they say in the south. >> what do they say? >> where do you go after you die? >> hartsville. you make your connection there. >> although there are multiple chick fil a's in that airport. >> how are you toing to find you gate. >> still ahead on morning joe, a conversation until now. >> they can split it up. i love it, but man, i'm telling you if other georgia representatives want to follow that guy's president, please,

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