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And kasparov was getting agitated, he said, that's not true. chess is an honest game. you look at the board, all the pieces are out there, you can't -- my capability, your capabilities are completely known, just up to my skill and your skill to compete against each other. putin doesn't play chess. he plays poker. he's a gambler. because in poker, you can bluff, you can lie, you can fix the deck. and that is the way he looked and many other activists that we spoke to describe putin. not the master strategist, not someone who is necessarily looking ten steps ahead, but is someone who is keenly a...

There are people that don't like some of us at fox and some didn't like roger's politics. he never cared. he enjoyed the battle. he enjoyed the free exchange. and that's why i said in his mind being the great chess master that he was he was thinking okay, i'll leave the earth first, go to the next life and be prepared to kick your ass in the next life. and you know. that was the warrior that god created. >> shannon: i remember several years ago talking to him and he said you know, i could retire and have a very comfortable life at this point. i have nothing left to prove, money in the bank, he...

'. >> let's hear what president obama saying about the situation vladimir putin is facing right now. >> he said he's the chess master and it's obama, this, that and the other. and right now he's presiding over the collapse of his currency, a major financial crisis and a huge economic contraction. that doesn't sound like somebody who has rolled me or the united states of america. >> another example, it seems of how the day to day coverage can often have the wrong perspective. >> i fully agree. there are some ways i would criticize the president's performance on ukraine, but fundamentally, getti...

Private sector is working together. >> so, let me move you on to the other big story that we've had, and that is your reach out, or cuba's reach to you and your reach to cuba. listening to the critics, part of this is they wrap it up in how you dealt with other sort of bad actors. oh, this is what he's done, he's accommodated syria by not crossing the red line. he has accommodated iran by talking to them on nuclear weapons, and you know, sort of down the line, russia, he's allowed putin to move in and take crimea. the gist of it is that you're naive and they're rolling it. >> yeah. so this was...

Costly, very expensive. we'll respond proportionately. >> i can tell you the word cyber vandalism, senator john mccain who is also on the show found the president underplaying what mccain who soon to become the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee thinks is a very serious breech much he's going to hold hearings on it. >> i understand you also had a chance to talk about president putin and russia. >> it was in the context of cuba. i said to the president, you know, looking at cuba, your critics are saying here is just another case where this president is getting ruled by dictators...