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View, has moved toward a process to remove his seal pin from him. that's devastating to him. it's kind of like any profession -- it would be like a doctor losing their medical license. it just takes away who you are. so the headline, brian, is the navy has been proceeding down a path appropriately and the way we always would for anybody who is court-martialed and convicted, which chief petty officer gallagher was. we then look at whether he should retain that pin or not. that's a process. president trump put out a tweet saying chief gallagher's going to keep his pin. the secretary of the navy ...

Standards. he sees chief gallagher as having violated those standards as part of that trial. this is different from the pardon from the criminal action that the president gave. this is actually the president attempting to interfere in the command structure between admiral green and his s.e.a.l.s in setting the certification standards for the members of his team. now the secretary of the navy is standing behind admiral green on this. they've notified the white house they're not going to do something based on just a tweet. they want a direct order. if that direct order comes, it will be interest...

Trust in the civilian military relationship, trust in a commander. in this case, admiral green, to do the best in establishing standards and levels of discipline for his unit. that's what this is all about. it's one thing for the president. he certainly can give this order, first of all, let's set that straight. he can give any order he wants. and any order he gives should be obeyed. what the navy is saying, though, is now he is not only inserting himself in the decisionmaking of the court-martial and what the penalties were and absolving chief gallagher of those things, but now he's getting i...

Whether he should retain that pin or not. that's a process. president trump put out a tweet saying chief gallagher's going to keep his pin. secretary of the navy is saying we're going to continue with the process to see whether the chief ought to retain that pin or enot. until we edpaet direct order from the president. unin other words the secretary is saying we're not going to respond to a tweet 378 if you want to do this plrks president, give me a direct order. that's what the secretary of the navy is saying. >> on behalf of our civilians, thank you for that explanation. you're welcome aroun...

Profession -- it would be like a doctor losing their medical license. it just takes away who you are. so the headline, brian, is the navy has been proceeding down a path appropriately and the way we always would for anybody who is court martialed and convicted, which chief petty officer gallagher was. we then look at whether he should retain that pin or not. that's a process. president trump put out a tweet saying chief gallagher's going to keep his pin. the secretary of the navy is saying in what i think is a real profile in courage, we're going to continue with the process to see whether the...