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Kathy caldwell, she's on the phone. we don't often do interviews on the phone but this is really important for people to understand. kathy, thank you for joining us. let me understand, in a place like alabama which is running out of c.h.i.p. money without this re-authorization, what does that actually mean for a family that has a child that gets their health coverage from c.h.i.p.? >> it will probably quite devastating news to these families that their children's coverage might end. they rely on it for all of their well child visits, for this they get sick, for hospitalizations, for their medi...

Through, could pass budget bills through the reconciliation process if they want to, right? >> i don't know if we can pass this particular through reconciliation. i think we need to fund the government long-term. >> right. but my point is that there are republican majorities in both houses who when they really care about something, like corporate tax cuts, seem to get it together to manage to do what they need to do without democrats helping, right? there were no democratic votes on the corporate tax cuts? republicans really cared about that issue. why all of a sudden when it comes to this stu...

Through, could pass budget bills through the reconciliation process if they want to, right? >> i don't know if we can pass this particular through reconciliation. i think we need to fund the government long-term. >> right. but my point is that there are republican majorities in both houses who when they really care about something, like corporate tax cuts, seem to get it together to manage to do what they need to do without democrats helping, right? there were no democratic votes on the corporate tax cuts? republicans really cared about that issue. why all of a sudden when it comes to this stu...

But i think we need to hold the senate accountable. but we passed c.h.i.p. way back in october for five years on the house side. >> here's the way it looks to folks, is that c.h.i.p. is being used as a bargaining tool. that it's viewed not as a good program in and of itself, but it's being used by republicans, who could have passed it, if they wanted to, as a bargaining tool to get democratic votes. >> that's an interesting comment, mr. hayes. i've done 70 town halls and you're the first person to ever suggest that. i think it couldn't be further from the truth. i think that's very disingenuou...