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Pakistan, a person who was involved or his organization was involved in many of the terrorist attacks in pakistan which have killed hundreds, if not thousands of people. now if the army hide him in pakistan, they are doing this -- if they are fighting taliban and al-qaeda, they are doing it for pakistan. we don't want those organizations and we don't want our sovereignty violated by those people. people may be disliking the united states but that doesn't mean that their own enemy will be harbored by the army, and which has suffered at their hands. >> i might be more in agreement with you, sir,...

Your intelligence service? >> well, it is very surprising, indeed. i totally agree. but high security is not an uncommon thing in that part of the country. high walls, bashed wires are a common feature in the frontier province especially. and one doesn't really -- it doesn't at all that much suspicion as it would in other countries, maybe in the united states. >> but it's a bit curious because mohamed, the architect of 9/11, he was picked up under the nose of your intelligence service and military. how does that happen? >> let me tell you that know guerrilla warfare and having studied this, le...

And they are involved in india. and there is great sentiment in pakistan to join in these groups and go across the border into cashmere and fight the indian army but i don't see them involved in that. the other group is acting against the hikani group, i don't know if the army support -- i can't imagine they are supporting the hikani group to fight you across the border. i don't think that is true. i don't know what the army -- i told the admiral mullen, i don't think we are supporting it. i am sure that they wouldn't be supporting it. but they may not be acting against him. that doesn't mean ...

Your intelligence service? >> well, it is very surprising, indeed. i totally agree. but high security is not an uncommon thing in that part of the country. high walls, bashed wires are a common feature in the frontier province especially. and one doesn't really -- it doesn't at all that much suspicion as it would in other countries, maybe in the united states. >> but it's a bit curious because mohamed, the architect of 9/11, he was picked up under the nose of your intelligence service and military. how does that happen? >> let me tell you that know guerrilla warfare and having studied this, le...

Us, that's not good. >> news flash, there are duplicitous people here. they lied to us about years about not developing nuclear weapons and they were. the nuclear weapons cannot fall in the wrong hands and we are perilously close to having that happen either because the military falls to the radicals or the country itself becomes destabilized and the radicals are able to take over. what we have to do is keep our eyes on the price and that's safeguarding the nuclear weapons. >> can we win the war on terror if we don't have success in pakistan? >> no. >> then are we cooked? >> it's a struggle th...