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And no relief and no education and opportunity, extremism takes route. we just had an election that wound up being decided on large part on fear and that fear may manifest and staying out of situations like what we're seeing with this humanitarian crisis. what is your concern for that type of policy shift, rick francona? >> i think there is going to be a policy shift, chris. and i think mr. trump alluded to that in his talk today when he talked about not going into these areas and not trying to topple different regimes. if you look at our current foreign policy in syria, it's bifurcated. we wa...

To its people. >> reporter: and what that means is plain for everyone in aleppo to see and hear. cnn, aleppo. >> fred, can you stay with us? are you in a safe enough area to hold up and talk? >> sure. >> we're also joined by lieutenant general frank in syria. let's talk about the reality. you're getting propaganda there on the ground, fred, about what they said they found and the rebels taking the city from the people. how did the people you met in aleppo feel about who was on their side? >> well, you know, i think right now, chris, most people here on the ground in aleppo feels like no one is...

Conversations we have are not as difficult. now, are we looking at the debt without a doubt and we need to make sure that we have a plan to pay it off. what we've done in the past is we just continue to increase it and increase it. i'm willing to recognize it may go up in the short term as long as we have a real plan to pay it off in the long term. >> okay, gentlemen. thank you very much for taking time to be on "new day." nice to talk to you. chris? >> same here. >> please take the time. go online and google and see if reductions and regulations always equals more jobs. google and see for you...

People said most of their belongings have been destroyed. so right now these are people who are caught in between the front lines and feel the international community has abandoned them and also will feel that their government has failed them and the rebels have failed them, as well, chris. >> no question that the rebels want a breather because they're getting pounded in aleppo. it's been tough to get it to break through to the american audience. what are the long-term concerns of what happens to this population in aleppo? >> well, chris, the -- >> fred, let me get rick's take on it and i'll c...

And the lone voice, i mean, you've made your point. but obviously it doesn't change anything. >> they would not. i would be an asterisk in history and have to be okay with that. but i have to be okay with my vote on december 20th. there are people out there, i know, to use the other side's example, hillary clinton -- this gentleman wasn't actually a hillary clinton voter. in california he tweeted out that he wrote in paris hilton for president and the next day said, oh, my god, the world is coming to an end. i have to put a name down on a piece of paper and want to make sure i'm comfortable wi...