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Short term would have a huge political effect on the president. his border wall is something he has been promising this entire time. so it's clearly something the president wants to see to be completed to see finished. but chuck humaner in that interview saying he would give a little bit of wiggle room. it would either be the 1.6 billion dollars used for fencing and border security but not a concrete wall. but to mirror funding that's there from this last fiscal year. but fencing and not a concrete wall. the president has to make a choice about how he wants to proceed. when he pushes it off ag...

Msnbc. joined this morning by capitol hill reporter seung min kim. we had tim alberta but i think the flu got him. and we have courtney kube. ted cruz became the face of the shutdown in 2013. a lot of people thought it would ruin his career. he ran for president. got down to the final four. does chuck humaner become the face of this, and did he get punked by donald trump yesterday who brought him down to the white house for the big showdown and walked out of there branded as the guy who shut the government down? >> clearly republicans are trying to make schumer the face of the shutdown with co...

Meaningful and can we see it continue? >> i call it a symbolic first step, kelly. i don't think in the scheme of things it's going to make a huge difference. but you know what? if it gets people talking together and promotes interchange, that's only a good thing. >> i call it meaningful symbolism and i can't wait to see what kind of body language is going to be between chuck humaner and tom coburn when they're sitting next to each other, a launch liberal from the northeast and very conservative senator from the south. >> kelly: why are some against that? >> it's because they don't want to see ...