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What if the d.c. circuit rules against the president and the supreme court doesn't take the case? that has happened. >> given what's at stake -- you're right, the supreme court doesn't have to take the case. i believe they will take the case. think for a second about the broader proposition. let's forget about donald trump and the political drama. does congress really have unlimited, uncabinned oversight power? is there no limitations? paul: maybe the pardon power, the president's pardon power, maybe. >> only the president can exercise it. it's a good point. look, the troubling thing here is, ...

Based in philadelphia. later, that decision was overturned by the united states sko supreme court, and the harvard policy followed the course of that litigation. it changed. in any event, it's kind of complicated, and it's hard for me to imagine too many people would be exercised about that. >> it's a simple legal point. that ruling was in the third circumstance kit, and harvard wasn't in the third circumstance kit. it didn't effect you at all and you shouldn't have changed your policy. >> i think that's a fair point, whether following circuit policy or national policy is a big issue to voters...