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Spokesperson for emily's list you would welcome a shutdown fight over planned parenthood insofar as it would certainly be ideologically clarifying. >> it is in a certain sense always great when the other side is really, really clear about how much they dislike women's rights. that makes it an easier case to say, actually, democrats are the ones that are interested in moving the country forward, these guys are willing to shut down the government to make sure you can't do what you have the right to do with your own body. but it's impossible to take any sort of joy in that. it's really disappoint...

They're meeting in europe about that, the refugee situation as well as trying to figure out what the russians are doing on the ground. dr. ben carson, the money's coming in, but the controversy still remains. thank you so much for clarifying and joining us. the good luck the rest of the way. >> thank you, sir. here's what's straight ahead. celebrity chef sandra lee making her appearance at the emmies after her battle with breast cancer. she'll talk about the journey and the new life mission. have you thought about christmas shopping yet? maybe you should, our expert will tell you how it co...

Anti-muslim bigoted case against an entire class of people based on religion. as far as i'm concerned, no, it not much better. >> s.e. is this going to stop for come groups to stop calling for him to drop out of the case. >> probably not. as much as what ben carson said at the time and saying now, it seems he's suggesting one must check their faith at white house door. i'm assuming unless that person is christian and then i think he seems to believe that christianity and the constitution are one in the same or at least compatible in ways that other faiths aren't. i don't know. it's very diffic...

>> i think the other issues like isis and iran and the issues these other candidates the real viable candidates should be projecting to the republican primary voter are not getting the attention but people are saying but this or that. come on. let's stop with the but and the clarifying. let's stop with it all. let's just stop talking about him. >> unfortunately, we will have to leave it there. thank you. >> wow. >> here we go. >> straight to the bar there. growing calls for the u.s. to help bring americans held in iran home now including this man. he is a pastor and critics say the administrat...

Which people do care about. >> so brian, you bring up is he a viable candidate that. has been the conversation. but then now it seems as though everyone else is following his lead in terms of commenting or clarifying, et cetera. and so i wonder, ellis, especially as he and other candidates poise themselves for the first debate how much of driving the conversation will trump be doing? >> how viable do you want really? i mean by any measure the guy is extremely viable. i will leave it to brian to make those careful distinctions between illegal immigration and exactly where the lines are. the way...