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People have done, run against them. use political weapons. do not use the criminal justice system. steve: don income began talked the president out of. >> good, that's why you need a law enforcement. >> steve: according to the reporting mr. mcgahn said if you do that that's an impeachable offense. >> i don't believe that i don't think it's an impeachable offense. i think it would be wrong to do. look, the president has so many legal issues he is confronting on this issue now of the ninth circuit where he is appealing, that's one of the hardest cases there is today. why? it's not like the trave...

2018. with us we have editor of commentator magazine, former u.s. attorney for northern district of alabama and msnbc contributor joyce vance. nbc political analyst, steve schmidt. and john heilemann. and also with us, white house correspondent for pbs news hour. good to have you all on board. >> john heilemann, the president's press conference. go. >> all right, john heilemann, thank you. >> what did we see yesterday? >> you know, his classic case where there's not i think anybody on the republican side or democratic side who didn't look at that as a slightly unhinged kind of wild eyed perfor...

Thomas and hill, it would have been completed by now. and we may be looking back a week from now saying, they should have ordered it up today. >> okay. but here is what i would say. if that had happened and we were sitting on this panel the morning after-republicans assented and trump would have said he should just withdraw. the optics of this is about to -- >> wait, if there had been an fbi investigation? >> yes. i think the idea would have been trump is pulling back. trump is trying to put this on the fbi. this is implicit pressure on kavanaugh to withdraw. >> we'll never know. >> we'll neve...

Usually now people talk about thomas jefferson and his, you know, slave family and all that. but trying to bring in george washington to say that he couldn't get confirmed today that was kind of a startling use of the past, no? >> well, yes. i mean that's redundant in trump's case. what i think -- he actually stumbled into something. bismarck said god loves drunks, little children and united states of america. in this case he pulled donald trump in. because i don't think trump knows about this. but, in fact, a young george washington was in love with his neighbor's wife, sally fairfax. and the...

And reserve judgment on each one of them individually and let the facts take us where the facts take us. >> or how should we be looking at this? >> here is the thing about smoke. where there's smoke, there's smoke. and what mika does is she runs through all of these allegations is she creates the best case possible for why the fbi should have been directed by the white house to reopen the investigation. >> exactly. since we're both from alabama and all the people said amen. i don't think you do that in synagogue, but go ahead, joyce. >> but this is exactly why we're here. we're here because we...