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Raw. the game-changer in energy, unquestionably, the thing that has changed the whole dynamics of the energy field is something called shale oil and gas. and that has created bountiful amounts of oil. has made the united states potentially the global leader in oil and gas for the next 25, 30, or 40 years. and by the way, natural gas is a fuel that is abundant. it's made in america. it's cheap. it's reliable. and -- >> a lot of people have gone to natural gas. it is a cleaner energy. nobody's arguing about that point. the question, though, is how is going towards a cleaner environment hurting t...

About? >> eric: you're not talking about al gore who promise new york city would be under water in 2015? >> bob: no, i'm not talking about him. >> kennedy: let's talk about some of the president's promises. he said were going to have fewer regulations and a cleaner environment. is it possible to have both? >> eric: yeah, listen. the other part of the equation, when you eliminate some of these restrictions, you open up the oil industry which happens to provide millions of decent to high-paying jobs to people who need jobs right now. keeping the cost of energy down but it's also one of the most ...

This clean power act, which would put the utilities out of business, gratuitously and in terms of cleaning up water, the funds are there to do it, specific programs, but the epa has gone way, way beyond that. you could cut that agency in half and we'd have a cleaner environment. david: e-mack it's not happened, 31% is a big cut. >> some of the cuts bring the epa and other agencies back to where they were ten years ago. i agree with steve, you know, we don't want pollution, we want clean water, but let's get rid of the costly circus plate spinning acts like biofuels and solar and wind and let t...

Government dominate the society and the economy. in america, free enterprise is different. it is a place where it doesn't matter if you have buddies that work in government or not. if you have a good idea and you are willing to work hard you can get ahead. the evidence is historic. look around the world. poor people do better in open societies with free enterprise than they do in societies where government dominates the economy. i have a difference of opinion with him on economic models. we have the same goal of providing prosperity and upward mobility. i believe free enterprise is a better wa...

Invasive tool since the colno scope, he's running a country right now like it's a local art college. who is going to provide the electricity for your ipad or your preus. >> what you can do is start ugeds oil and gas to fire your electric plants? do you want to talk about the china doubled carbon emissions or do you want to talk about -- >> i want to talk about it all. in the united states, since 1990, we have reduced our carbon dioxide emissions to about 1990 levels at this point. so economic growth actually means that you can have a cleaner environment. what i think that they are trying to do...