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And when general kelly came in, one of the things he was trying to get a handle on was that there were a lot of officials in the west wing who had access to president trump, ready access without any kind of filter, any kind of organized process around that, and jared kushner was chief among those people. so he really tried to get a handle on that and tried to limit it, and that has really in some ways crimped jared kushner's access to the president and it's been a -- it's been a simmering tension for some time now. and i think this clearance issue has just brought that to a head. >> is it clea...

Are you surprised giving the code among not just in the military but especially among navy s.e.a.l.s he would go public for the story. >> short answer for the reason you say. the code. once you join the s.e.a.l.s is there is a sense of fraternity and not just short term but long-term methodology as we used to say. the idea someone would write a book and put out there exactly how this was done, detail, is off. it seems to me it's pulitzer prize but a question of simply wrong. yes, it's not the sort of thing one would have expected and i'm surprised. also the clearance issue, how did a lot of th...