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This is all part of them disliking them. their relationships with them were toxic by the time this happened. wouldn't that have been a reason for them to -- i just don't understand the logic under which they would have prolonged this clearance confusion, don mcgahn and john kelly. it's hard to understand what planet they would be doing there to play games. i know that john kelly has been accused by others of using the clearance system to go after people he didn't like. i'm putting all that aside because there were legitimate issues being raised, as far as we understand it, by the fbi and other...

Don't understand the logic under which they would have wanted to prolong this clearance confusion. don mcgahn and john kelly. it's hard to understand what planet in which they'd be doing this to play games. i do know that john kelly has been accused by others of using the clearance system to go after people he didn't like. and i'm putting all of that aside because there were legitimate issues being raised as far as we understand it by the fbi and by others. >> all right. maggie haberman, appreciate it. thank you. joining us is "usa today" columnist kirsten powers, former rnc chief of staff mik...

So, general clapper, you actually learned about this, i understand, in real-time, while you were watching the white house briefing today, about them trying to take away a security clearance from you. i'm wondering what went through your mind when you heard that and now that you've had some time to digest that, where are you at with all this? >> well, yeah, that's how i learned about it, just like everybody else. i had no prior official notification that my clearance was under consideration for revocation. so it was quite amazing. i didn't know what to make of it at first and was a bit speechle...

To take away a security clearance from you. i'm wondering what went through your mind when you heard that and now that you've had some time to digest that, where are you at with all this? >> well, yeah, that's how i learned about it, just like everybody else. i had no prior official notification that my clearance was under consideration for revocation. so it was quite amazing. i didn't know what the make of it at first and was a bit speechless, to tell you the truth. i think after having reflected on it, to me, i think this is a real abuse of the clearance system, just to use it to attack poli...

Of the president. and after that, sarah sanders, the white house press secretary, she not only confirmed that the president was considering revoking john brennan's security clearance, but said that he was also considering revoking the clearance of several other officials. michael hayden, for example, the former director of the national security agency. susan rice, the former national security adviser and james clapper, of course, the former director of national intelligence. and of course, this would be an unprecedented use of the president's power over the security clearance system. and james...