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Did he have the same numbers and ratings? how did it work for him? >> not quite as big? >> it was close? >> not even in the same sort of discussion. >> you mean what? a few people watched him before he went to fox news? >> right. he kind of exploded when he went to fox. before fox, not so much. different spot for him. >> are you trying to imply, suggest without that fox platform he will be reduced to irls and fa ir relevance and not be on the american consciousness? >> i'm not implying it, saying it outright roger ailn ales, thl the people that showed up was roger ale se people. and he is the ...

Abortion and greenhouse gases. >> two things i'd say. republicans have smartly not talked about it. you hear chuck schumer and the president talk about it and harry reid and you don't hear john boehner saying this is what we're fighting on it. >> we heard pence talking about it, in the "new york post," "washington times." >> it's not dominating the debate on television which is what matters to the public. the other thing is these disputes are things they believe in, causes they believe in. they're not doing it for fun, they're not doing it to be annoying, they're doing it because they believe ...

A lot of time questioning whether president obama was actually born in the u.s., demanding that the president produce his actual birth certificate. >> he doesn't have a birth certificate or he hasn't shown it. he has what's called a certificate of live birth and that is totally different. if you look at it, it's not even signed by anybody. doesn't have a serial number. >> the certificate of live birth does have a serial number, and a stamped signature. hawaiian officials say it carries the force of law. so-called birthers argue that if one of your parents is an american citizen you could get a...

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