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Courtroom and said michael cohen is not really a lawyer is because they want to say those aren't really privileged lawyer tapes. >> well, if there are tapes or whatever the communications are, but ari, i want to set the stage for your viewers. this is important. imagine you are communicating with an individual that you believe is your lawyer and that you have privilege with. so you're free-wheeling in your communications with him because you think they're protected under the attorney/client privilege and you do this for a number of years as it relates to a number of hairy issues. one day the f...

Practices law and you do a bunch of other shady things haiding behind your jd. have you seen a prosecutorial filing like this? >> not a lot. maybe on one other occasion in 18 years. let me tell you why that is so critically important in this context. if they find that the communications between michael cohen and the president were not in furtherance of michael cohen practicing law, then there is a high likelihood that those are not attorney/client privilege communications. >> you just said something that terrifies the white house. that donald trump knows. i want to put up on the screen this "w...

Communications that he had with my client. later, outside the courtroom, after michael cohen's lawyer admitted that such recordings might exist, michael avenatti called the recordings, the trump tapes. >> just like the nixon tapes years ago, we now have what i will refer to as the trump tapes. mr. ryan admitted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years and that those recordings are, to quote him, not only do they exist but they are under lock and key, and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. mr. cohen and his attorney,...

Will refer to as the trump tapes. mr. ryan admitted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years. not only do they exist, but they are under lock and key and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. >> you're calling these the trump tapes. that is very interesting. that's very exciting. but you don't in fact know whether donald trump is or is not on any of the tapes yet. >> well, i know for a fact that donald trump is on at least one of these recordings already. i'm not going to -- >> how do you know that? >> i won't get into...