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How does he save face in in this situation? also, you met with president zelensky. what was your takeaway from that meeting, and is there any way at this point to resolve or des calculate the situation without military action or defense? >> well, i don't know if there is an offramp of face saving for vladimir putin which is why it looks so much like he's actually planning something. he not only has taken over crimea and not only the -- but he's moved russian regular troops in to the east, and he's bringing elite troops into belarus which is sort of a client state now of russia. they're very, v...

That is ukraine. ukraine is a not a democracy. it has never been a democracy n in its history and it's not now it's a client state of the biden administration. it's a place in which opposition media and opposition political candidates are completelydiic shut down. but the government is not a democracy at all and it's insulting. otthey suggest otherwise. but people like that and many people in washington are pushing ukraine toward war .ar so we're sending them weapons and then making it very easy for them to use them. they told us now for months that any preemptive attack by ukraine actually is...

Them. now, cyberattacks. you have russian tanks that have moved into sovereign ukrainian soil, which may be controlled by so-called russian separatists, that red portion of the mat producing the bottom right-hand corner. but he still recognizes ukraine through the question is, does he move into that orange portion, and how much further beyond that? you see those red dots. belarus controlled by client state of soviet union peer there are field hospitals being set up in the northeast part of ukraine. he can come three oh separatists controlled areas or up through crimea, the port of odessa which...

Right now we want the bombing to stop i don't think that the russian opposition is going to be able to mount anything substantial enough until there are more casualties on their side and on the ukrainian side unfortunately to stop this thing. it needs to start somewhere. the opposition clearly is out there. >> jesse: is ukraine enough glory for vladimir putin? he has talked about in his speech earlier in the week he wants to reestablish basically the entire former soviet empire. i mean, ukraine is, what, twice the size of texas? that's the largest country in europe. i mean, that's a big chunk....

More. not to maintain the democracy that is ukraine. ukraine is not a democracy. it has never been a democracy and its history and it's not now. it's a client state of the biden administration. it's a place in which opposition media and opposition political candidates are completely shut down by the government. it's not a democracy at all. it's insulting they would suggest otherwise. people like that in many people in washington are pushing ukraine toward war. so we are sending them weapons and then making it very easy for them to use them. they told us never months that any preemptive attack ...