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Right? the technology is going in certain ways, but the mechanisms are all -- the forcing mechanisms are all about politics. they're about global politics and domestic politics. so i want to ask about, there's a moment in the film where you talk about that 2000 election. it made me think about these terms more starkly than i have before. kyoto, the u.s. was going to be a party to kyoto, then this very close election in which of democrat wins more votes in the popular election, does not become the president of the united states, the republican gets in, pulls out of an international climate trea...

Climate and for the country. why did it happen again, i guess is my question? >> well, i don't think very many people voted for trump on the basis of the climate issue. actually, a plurality of his voters wanted us to stay in paris. >> yeah. >> two-thirds of the american people. and the pattern we were talking about -- >> but what is key about that, right, is that the preference wasn't strong enough to override other stuff? >> that's right. another big change in the last decade, in addition to the technological developments making clean energy and sustainability far more affordable. the other ...

Right? the technology is going in certain ways, but the mechanisms are all -- the forcing mechanisms are all about politics. they're about global politics and domestic politics. so i want to ask about, there's a moment in the film where you talk about that 2000 election. it made me think about these terms more starkly than i have before. kyoto, the u.s. was going to be a party to kyoto, then this very close election in which of democrat wins more votes in the popular election, does not become the president of the united states, the republican gets in, pulls out of an international climate trea...

Was a big moment, a fork in the road for the country. why did it happen again, i guess is my question. >> well, i don't think very many people voted for trump on the basis of the climate issue. actually a plurality of his voters wanted us to stay in paris. i majority of republican voters, two-thirds of the american people. >> but that, what is key about that, right, is that that preference wasn't strong enough to override other things in the fate of this issue. >> that's right. but another big change in the last decade, in addition to the technological developments making clean energy and sust...

Having won this deal, and she was saying maybe in this new role as the world's leader in this period where america's not playing a traditional role, she's saying we need to get away from a winner/loser psychologist. i think she's fascinating. we'll see it play out today the question of whether donald trump will integrate his presidency more effectively with a world that's suspicious of him right now. >> and ambassador hill, suspicious for good reason. what does angela merkel want to get out of this meeting? and what does donald trump need to get out of the meeting? >> well, i think she would l...