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There are lobbyists and lawyers in washington. >> working pro bono. they weren't before and now they are. . >> that's exactly right. that is not usually what they are known for. but in this case helping to put together a war crimes kind of evidence in case the administration goes that way. . >> you mentioned one of the leading firms has actually filed basically a war crimes lawsuit on behalf of the ukrainian government. you also talk about the migs that possibly poland might supply. and there are some complications. this may or may not happen. but the question i have here is, if that is going ...

What they can and cannot do and maybe what the limitations are? >> well, the trick that president biden is trying to deal with right now, and you saw it in the speech yesterday, and what he said we were doing and what he didn't say is that he can't let the united states become what is called a co-combatant in the war. he said we're not going to be a direct participant. so obviously we're feeding them arms. obviously we're feeding them some intelligence. but what happens when you get to those next steps, whether it is helping interfere with communications, whether it is sending in people to go ...

The issue with chernobyl seems to be resolved at least for the moment. that leaves us with this issue with poland, with these jets. the migs that the ukrainians badly want and a question about getting it to them but how. how to get it to them and in which way. where do you see this going? >> i don't think it is going to happen. the reason i don't think it is going to happen is what we're seeing is that poland and the united states and the rest of nato are trying to hand off the question of who is responsible for being the last person to have their hands on the migs before they go into ukrainia...

Not providing the realtime targeting that you see our military having gotten in conflicts like in iraq where instant to instant. we have got uav. unblinking eye as they say giving the data. we are not doing that because that steps over the line to make us participate in the war. >> i think it's important for us to understand where that line is. can you just add some more context about what we are doing? what is on the other side of targeting? >> we are providing fair amount of lethal equipment, weaponry. maybe even advice. that stops short of target jeff gordon if you do active realtime target...

I think they'll try to find a balance. certainly, they're not going to criticize russians. they're going to blast united states, which they've already done, blasting the united states for sanctions, i think they'll try to provide some measure of economic support for putin, but they're going to stay away, certainly, from any kind of military channel that makes china a co-combatant. che xi is terrified or very concerned about the prospect of secondary sanctions kimposed by the united states, should they violate those that the u.n. have imposed. >> thank you for staying up early with us and micha...