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Ellie honig. the president is his boss. we also know that whittaker acknowledged he raised concerns then with prosecutors in the southern district of new york about the handling of the cohen case. you are a lawyer. does that look, sound, smell to you like an attempt at obstruction? >> it smells very bad to me. first of all, you have to really get into details of the conversation, but it makes very little sense that he would ask them to revisit the scope of recusal. i have seen some statements where you mention something like you can't revisit a recusal. i don't know what he is talking about. t...

That's just not true and a flat out lie. the judge never rule on that issue. in fact, she said the no collusion claim, and this is a quote from her, is a non sequitur. why does he keep bringing it up? is it that transparent? >> there's someone who wants to hear there's no collusion, and that's the man who has the power to keep paul manafort from spending his 70s in prison, so i think that might explain this one. >> short concise answer. that means looking for pardon, right? susan, let's talk about matthew whitaker. house judiciary chair nadler he says whitaker did not deny that the president c...

Happened. in fact, he also admits that he had discussions with his staff about the scope of the investigation in the southern district of new york. he thought there were pieces of it that were, quote, speeshous, but oth the other hand, you have the top republican saying, no, no, that's not what happened at all and down-playing saying there's no evidence at all that he discussed the cohen case. so it's who do you believe here? >> and it matters because of our reporting that as recently as december the president was trying to get involved and lean in on the investigation into michael cohen. and ...

A free man. he's going to have to go and answer to those charges. >> manafort's attorney kevin downing, claimed that the judge could see there was no evidence of russian collusion. that's just not true and a flat out lie. the judge never rule on that issue. in fact, she said the no collusion claim, and this is a quote from her, is a non sequitur. why does he keep bringing it up? >> there's someone who wants to hear there's no collusion, and that's the man who has the power to keep paul manafort from spending his 70s in prison, so i think that might explain this one. >> short concise answer. th...

>> i wonder who might have broken it. >> what's going to happen next? >> that's not the bipartisan one. >> what happens next? >> i'm waiting for the bipartisan horn. >> fail. >> the senate, ire respective of what the senate does, they may shoot it down. it's ultimately a resolution. it doesn't change the doj regulations. it acts more as a symbolic gesture to get ag bar to release the mueller report, to induce him to release the mueller report, and if he doesn't, representative nadler has indicated he might subpoena it anyway. >> nadler yesterday, by the way, after our show said that acting att...