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Coming in and trying to lie, even in closed-door sessions, even just with staff as was the case with this michael cohen interview. i've talked to a number of lawmakers on the senate side who have made exactly that point, including richard burr, the chairman of the senate intel committee, and on the house side adam schiff has been out for quite a while the ranking democrat, on the house intel committee saying he believes there were witnesses who lied to that committee in their investigation over the last year, and you're any of those witnesses who might have said something that you might now pe...

Legal fees. >> the past essentially two years of denial from the president. knowledge of paying murn to the women. and the surrogates and sanders. is a lie? >> pretty much. they initially when we reported the mcdougal deal. hope hicks the campaign spokesman went to trump and asked him about it. and she came back after speaking to him based on what she was told and said we have no knowledge of any of this. just in the last couple of months we have the secret tape of cohen talking to president trump about buying the rights to karen mcdougal story in september 2016. like just before we reported t...

His own lawyer and realized he did not want to be the person to be the scapegoat. >> that dove tails with sources that say people that work in the white house were very worried about what legal impact being in the presence of all this might have on them, as a result they've hired lawyers to protect themselves. so 30 hours of testimony, i have no idea what he said the idea that he knows that much and the idea that he had his own lawyer that he would be protected tells you he was worried about what he had to say. >> there were so many hours, remember the scenes of world war ii, they are point at...

You think he'll react? >> i think it depends who it is. if it's don junior, i think he could easily cut him lose, and we've had rudy giuliani say jared kushner is disposable, but of ivanka he said she's a fine woman, so she's going to be protected. she reflects well on the president. i think he's always had his doubts about the young man who bears his name. he's never really had confidence in him. >> harry, of all the folks attending the trump tower meeting, how do you think is in the biggest legal jeopardy? >> junior. he's the one who sets it up. he's the one who says if that's what you're sa...

If it's don junior, i think he could easily cut him lose, and we've had rudy giuliani say jared kushner is disposable, but of ivanka he said she's a fine woman, so she's going to be protected. she reflects well on the president. i think he's always had his doubts about the young man who bears his name. he's never really had confidence in him. >> harry, of all the folks attending the trump tower meeting, how do you think is in the biggest legal jeopardy? >> junior. he's the one who sets it up. he's the one who says if that's what you're saying, i love it. he's the one who allegedly, this is coh...