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Let's bring in karl rove. he's no stranger to my rule of thumb. it seems to happen all the time. but that's what busy white houses have to deal with. today michael cohen pleads guilty, the president calling him a liar before he got on air force one. how do you think the white house can best keep the trains moving on time for all the different things that a white house has to deal with? >> well, have the president focus his public comments on the g-20 and the issues surrounding it, and let somebody else be the voice of the president on this investigation. i think this should have been started a...

Calling cohen weak. >> if you spend five minutes with michael cohen, you know that he's not strong. he's weak. it's odd to say this, but when he said that he would stand up to the president, i knew from talking with him for less than five minutes that he was sufficiently weak, that he would cave in with respect to any wrongdoings. >> do you agree with that assessment? do you know why goldberg is saying that on television? >> i agree 100%. michael cohen is not a general. he's never been a general. he's a corporal. this is not a guy who was calling the shots. this goes to show you what i've been...

Had a very similar role, speaking just moments ago on "the beat," and calling cohen weak. >> if you spend five minutes with michael cohen, you know that he's not strong. he's weak. and it's odd to say this, but when he said that he would stand up for the president, i knew from talking with him for less than five minutes that he was sufficiently weak, that he would cave in with respect to any wrongdoing. >> do you agree with that assessment? do you know why goldberg is saying that on television? >> i agree 100%. michael cohen is not a general. he's never been a general. he's a corporate. a corp...