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Are we any close tort truth today than we were? >> we have a lot of the truth. we know that they were flying an antikuwaited helicopter because we don't have enough special operation's choppers captain corn strategy was adopted in afghanistan and from the time we entered afghanistan under president bush in 2009, we had a thousand deaths. >> in the first nine years, it nine years to have a thousand. when we adopted the coin strategy we roached the corn strategy. >> counsellor insurgency. winning the hears and mines of the afghans. >> rather than winning the war. >> that's right. and we are told...

Is that what he's trying to do, karzai, or just to punish us? >> reporter: it's not clear exactly what he's trying to do. but if they come out of those villages, the coin strategy that was implemented in 2009 and the whole purpose of the coin strategy was to have the nato forces interacting with these afghans, trying to win their hearts and minds. right now what it seems is if president karzai pulls these soldiers and marines out of these areas, it's as if to say, you're not going to win the hearts and minds. you've already lost the hearts a and minds of the afghan people. more so, he doesn't ...

C.o.i.n. strategy. what's general petreaus need to say today to convince those lawmakers that this will spell success in afghanistan? >> well, petraeus has a tremendous amount of personal credibility. he's been a tremendous general both in iraq and at centcom. he needs to convince the senators he can carry this out successfully. that means showing we have the will to see it through until we are successful. i think what's woring right now is that a number of the people out there, whether karzai or the taliban or even some in our own military think we don't have the will to win and are hamstrung...

Strategy. it is this huge surge of troops not only to fight the enemy but to live among the civilian population. everybody has signed up on this. that's the key question. does mccain, do others believe it can be done in a year? >> well, i think that is the key question. i don't have the answer to it but i think that is the question has to be asked. i think opponents like the war like congresswoman lee will who will be on the program how long do we have to work before we know it's not working? again, this is the difficult challenge, whether too much time has passed that renders a nation buildin...

Looms here. because i do think general petraeus and mcchrystal are more biased towards this "let's prove i'm right on coin strategy." the vice president is still in the corner of we need a trimmed down mission that's global. >> larry: ari, you disagree? >> i'm not a military strategist, so i invest in those who are. in this case, it's general petraeus and general mcchrystal. in fact, it's president obama. he's the one who is commander in chief who accepted their judgment. he basically overruled vice president biden and others on his staff. and so nobody wants to be at war for ten years. but th...