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What this does is it really seriously discredits bob mueller and his investigation by putting out facts just not supported by the evidence. it's a brainwashing of the public, brian. and again what it risks is that it also has a collateral effect of the rest of the line, fbi agents who you referenced during the night, they have to go to courts tomorrow and put warrants and affidavits forward on money laundering cases, corruption cases. on terrorism cases. and if their credibility is undermined by this, that's going to affect their ability to do their job. >> another question i asked in the firs...

President. it's a line that we just cannot cross, and i'm still hopeful that we don't go there, but i think we're as close as wave ever been. >> i know you're not able to speak to the contents of the memo. it's the point of the argument. but if you're able to even if it calls for speculation, what's at work here? why is this being pushed out? what's it toward? >> i've read both memos, the republican one that will go to the public as early as tomorrow and the democratic one that they've prevented the public from seeing. what this does is it really seriously discredits bob mueller and his invest...

But a message to potential co-defendant that co-defendants, look, you may be used to general treatment but there is not a gentleman's game. you're looking at jail time, at being treated like a common criminal. you better think very carefully about whether you want to cooperate. and i think this has a sort of seismic collateral effect within the white house. everyone has to look around and see who is next, who is cooperating, who isn't? all the while trying to figure out what to do with north korea. >> you say your experience this is seismic and we know other potential witnesses work. joe, spea...