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It would be better to have an explanation from the united states, but also with these government, but why the u.s. does these sorts of things. someone needs to say, joe, you're not that important, we really don't care what your -- what you're e-mailing to your friends. these are broad collection programs that serve clearly defined security purposes. so there's a political problem. but i don't think there's a civil liberties problem. >> you worked in the state department. you've had to deal with this kind of fallout. would you do anything differently than the obama administration? >> you have t...

Someone needs to say, joe, you're not that important, we really don't care what your -- what you're e-mailing to your friends. these are broad collection programs that serve clearly defined security purposes. so there's a political problem. but i don't think there's a real civil liberties problem. >> you worked in the state department. you've had to deal with this kind of fallout. would you do anything differently than the obama administration? >> you have to ask yourself, first of all, is whether the risk of spying on your friends is worth it. it's one of the diciest areas of espionage and wh...

Opinion, in that opinion just judge beats found the nsa collection programs in some respects division on stat torrie and constitutional grounds. joins us to discuss kirk icon wad,'s thor of "500 days." welcome back to the program a bit of drama in this opinion. the judge was clearly caught off-gua off-guard, and he wrote this in a footnote, said the court is trouble that the revelation mark the third instance in less than three years in which it's been disclosed in a a -- regarding the scope of a major collection program. >> if they weren't disclosing it properly, no, they need to be more care...

The past. heather: it puts our sources at risk as well. peter, you mentioned nsa. so i will just ask this question. what if it was edward snowden that had leaked all this information? >> well, i mean obviously that's troubling and people do know a lot more now about our intelligence collection programs. i mean obviously this is a devisive issue between civil libertarians and national security types. but the same sort of thing here, i believe that these programs are, you know, are legal, they're constitutional and they protect our national security. and as we've seen in the past, these have bro...

Whether, in fact, adversaries will take great note of the things he's disclosed. >> i think this will follow the same trajectory as wikileaks, a lot of noise up front, six months later, all that's left is embarrassment. >> reporter: perhaps the impact will be on intelligence gathering, itself, as we have seen, there the a growing movement in congress to try to change or at least modify the laws that govern these intelligence collection programs. wolf. >> barbara, thank you. you can see it coming, a high speed train racing around a curve, in moments on its side, off the tracks, broken in two. a...