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Agenda passed. two interesting things here. number one, president obama is pretty neutralized because jimmy carter and the democratic congress gutted the federal workers union in 197. and the president has made no attempt to -- doesn't even talk about it i don't even know if he knew about it i didn't know about it until friday. he is neutralized on that area. number two, there are a lot of independents who are union people sympathize with union people, even some conservative, police, fire, this and that going you know, we don't want this. we don't want to have the unions gutted there is a lot ...

Representatives on their side of the bargaining table but through the political process campaign donations working for candidates, they can help decide who is sitting on the other side. so it makes for a kind of a situation which is arguably corrupts the collective bargaining process. it's been enormously beneficial to come of these unions and to many of their workers. and if these rights are curtailed. the kind of bargaining rights they have now in many places, certainly not all, certainly not as you pointed out, bill, at the federal level, it's a real threat to these unions. you are going to...

Representatives on their side of the bargaining table but through the political process campaign donations working for candidates, they can help decide who is sitting on the other side. so it makes for a kind of a situation which is arguably corrupts the collective bargaining process. it's been enormously beneficial to come of these unions and to many of their workers. and if these rights are curtailed. the kind of bargaining rights they have now in many places, certainly not all, certainly not as you pointed out, bill, at the federal level, it's a real threat to these unions. you are going to...

President richard trunka. thank you very much for joining us. >> take the monitor off, please. >> i heard -- we just listened to the governor's statement, and i played at the beginning of this broadcast what he said about why he needed to change the collective bargaining rights of these unions. in fact, i would like to play it for you one more time, because i am trying to find an answer that makes sense in any way in what the governor says about that. let's listen once again to what he says about why we have to reform the collective bargaining process. >> now some will question why we have to ...

>> take the monitor off, please. >> i heard -- we just listened to the governor's statement, and i played at the beginning of this broadcast what he said about why he needed to change the collective bargaining rights of these unions. in fact, i would like to play it for you one more time, because i am trying to find an answer that makes sense in any way in what the governor says about that. let's listen once again to what he says about why we have to reform the collective bargaining process. >> now some will question why we have to reform collective bargaining to balance the budget. the answer...