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And his wife, who represents mark corallo, a one-time spokesperson for the president's legal team, who walked out the door, said he would have nothing to do with the team after he thought there was a directive from hope hicks and perhaps higher up to lie, to craft a statement aboard air force one that amounted to a lie about don jr.'s meetings with russians. and i ask you this because carol's reporting brings the obstruction of justice case back into the spotlight. we talk alternatively about the collusion case and the obstruction of justice case. watching that clip with joe dejenna voe, we kn...

To do with the team after he thought there was a directive from hope hicks and perhaps higher up to lie, to craft a statement aboard air force one that amounted to a lie about don jr.'s meetings with russians. and i ask you this because carol's reporting brings the obstruction of justice case back into the spotlight. we talk alternatively about the collusion case and the obstruction of justice case. watching that clip with joe digenova, we know what kind of approach he would have taken. if you could speak to the president being a subject and the president not able to be represented by someone ...

>> chuck rosenberg, let me ask you about that sound that we played at the top of the show. that was joe digenova. he was a candidate to be added to the president's legal team about the time that if you sort of wind back the clock based on carol and robert acosta's reporting, it would be about the time john dowd would have informed the president he learned from the special counsel that he was a subject, not simply a witness, in the investigation. could we unpack some of the reasons that we now -- become pretty clear why mr. digenova, and his wife, who represents mark corallo, a one-time spokesp...

Crime. collusion is simply not a crime. >> bill: axios reporting earlier today that part of mueller's focus is to try to figure out while in office whether or not the president tried to halt the russia matter. it sounds like some deal with james comey or something within that relationship there. it sounds like he is building an obstruction case. is that on its face what it appears to be there? >> if he did, then of course rosenstein would have to recuse himself. he is the primary witness in a collusion case. he is the guy who wrote the memo. one interpretation of why rosenstein has appointed a...

Government officials as well as crimes arising out of payments he received from the ukrainian government." they're looking at collusion and working on manafort but not just about his role in probable collusion but going after his business affairs generally which means he is really vulnerable. >> this is very significant, chris. some critics of the manafort prosecution argued look, money laundering, tax evasion what does that have to do with collusion with russia. now we have in black and white from the justice department there are serious allegations that paul manafort colluded. obviously, the...