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Going on, in terms of what are they threatened by? there's collusion, bribery and obstruction of justice, those are probably the three issues at play here. i don't think trump is scared at all by collusion. i don't think it matters to him. to the extent that he obstructed. >> this is where i sat there and -- the collusion point, this is where i accept he can't even coordinate with his press office, how is he going to collude with russia. >> and they've been the keystone kops cops from this the very beginning, they haven't been on message, they're not consistent with their stories or actions, c...

Development over this weekend to the collusion point or the hanging out with russians point was that it's no longer just flynn and manafort. now we're learning it is a very high up white house official and you talk about who this potentially be name such as tillerson. >> and jared, white house, per se. >> tillerson saying on the record, i don't know what he's talking about. >> did you see this week they showed the white house -- i use to work there. he has the office basically right next to the president. he's like his guy, any way, let's bring in richard senator. it's great to have you on. la...