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Said about this not being about collusion and trying to take it as a clean bill of health. we know this trial was never meant whether or not to litigate, whether or not that was collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. this was about criminal activity paul manafort was engaged in extra from the collusion question. the president sort of shaded the lines there. and then on the pardon question, i didn't hear the pardon question precisely. i don't know if it has specifically to do with manafort or was it manafort and cohen? the president took an opportunity to talk about how it's mic...

Donald trump. they are not prepared to see members of government branch of the government just being enablers and that's where we are right now. >> michael cohen did show up with some documentations and some evidence and some checks. when it comes to those checks, he said the president knew about where they came from. rudy giuliani also said that he knew where they came from previously and in the interview with sean hannity, this was when the president denied of having any knowledge of it. jim jordan says well, that was already in the news. here is what lindsey graham said about it -- i believ...

Ofgrandiosity. they think they are smarter than anyone else. jared kushner has all three of those characteristics and frankly so as the president. >> so annie, the president has denied it and ivanka trump has denied it. do we have any indication why they potentially could have been lying about their involvement of jared kushner's security clearance. >> that's one of the biggest question and abby lowell also lied about it. that's the biggest question raised here. the president does have the authority to give top secret authority clearance to anyone he wants. he could have said jared kushner is ...

Transparency through congress and whether or not congress wants to act. >> ken, impeachment seems to be taken off the table by a number of democrats. castro told me yesterday, they're not there yet when it comes to impeachment. what is it going to take to get them there? what we are seeing of the allegations of donald trump and what he said publicly in terms of obstruction, they seem to surpass what we have heard with nixon in the '70s. >> this is a really interesting question, and john raised an important point of the interplay between the executive branch investigation and congressional inve...

Are call weisselberg to testify. back with me with our national security reporter ken dilanian and joining me, john carlin, he's also the author of "dawnde" >> starting with you ken, michael cohen did give them a number of names that they can potentially subpoena if they have to in order to get a range of issues when it comes to donald trump. >> absolutely. he also made clear that the southern district of new york, prosecutors are investigating some of these things, katy. it is opening of what looks like a dangerous chapter for the president and his family. regardless of what happens with the ...