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The white house to that effect and he has lost control. one of the harsh lessons in life is loyalty runs both ways. donald trump is only loyal to himself and cuts people loose. now, people are turning it on him and disclaiming their loyalty to him, breaking their bonds with him to save themselves. that has made it particularly dangerous. let me emphasize one other thing. he can still cling onto office a lot longer than people think. i don't think he's down and out yet. he's down but not out. a lot still will depend ultimately what mueller has on the collusion question. >> we will discuss this ...

And so that's where they've been pushing. and so, you now have at least some movement from the mueller team. but keep in mind, anderson, they're still insisting that they want a sitdown with the president, and some of those questions will cover this very important question of obstruction of justice. >> do we know at this point where things stand about any questions regarding collusion? >> well, the collusion question, believe it or not, the trump team has been open to having the president answer those questions, you know, if there is a sitdown interview. now, keep in mind, anderson, i think ru...

Inaugurated as president. so anything having to do with obstruction would come in this written test, so to speak. and so that's where they've been pushing. and so you now have at least some movement from the mueller team. but keep in mind, anderson, they're still insisting that they want a sit-down with the president, and some of those questions will cover this very important question of obstruction of justice. >> do we know at this point where things stand about any questions regarding collusion? >> well, the collusion question, believe it or not, the trump team has been open to having the pr...

Paid $27 million for instance from ukraine. and also identified some of the offshore bank accounts. and they also made clear that the defense will put rick gates, paul manafort's former deputy, on trial. they called him the star witness and they called out the government for barely mentioning rick gates in their opening. rick gates obviously also served on the trump campaign, as a matter of fact he stayed the trump campaign even after paul manafort was fired from the campaign. one of the things we won't hear in court and we've talked about it a little bit is we won't hear much about president ...

Interfere and what can we do in the future to prevent it from happening and how did our intelligence agencies perform while this was happening. that's our probe. mueller's probe is to find out whether there was criminality and there are people already charged. the president from day one has strongly said he did not collude with the russians. that's not a new position. he's always said that from the very beginning. if i were running a campaign and i had not colluded, i would be behaving -- i would be very sort of emotional about that as well. he feels very strongly about that. and that's why i'...