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President obama was still in office, and it was a call -- not really extraordinary in too many regards. there's often context, some questions i guess about whether or not it violated the logan act, but it was something that flynn lied about. so do you think we will learn why he lied? >> i hope so. i mean i think it goes back to this issue of, you know, if collusion is a dead letter from a criminal conspiracy perspective, it is not from a political perspective or impeachment perspective. the more we understand, the more questions there really are. why are so many contacts with russians? why the...

Playbook. if they can get away with it, they're going to try. >> i guess here is my larger point. is it clear they've gotten away with it? to the next point, they may have escaped the narrow criminal conspiracy question robert mueller was asking but it is not clear they escaped impeachment. >> that's true. >> the justice department had an expectation there was a plausible scenario where impeachment would commence and they would have to turn over underlying evidence and bring witnesses. >> that's a good point. the fix asian lately has been on obstruction, and obviously the dowd phone call and t...

It was a call, not really extraordinary in too many regards. there's often contacts, questions about whether it violated the logan act, i guess. but it was something that flynn lied about. do you think we'll learn why he lied? >> i hope so. it goes back to this issue of if collusion is a dead letter from a criminal conspiracy perspective, it's not from a perspective or impeachment perspective. the more we understand, the more questions there are. why so many contacts with russians and why the drive to keep them secret, lie about them, hide from them, this from a president who's been screaming ...

Playbook. if they can get away with it, why not try. >> they may have escaped the narrow criminal conspiracy question robert mueller was asking, but it's not clear they've escaped impeachment and the justice department had an expectation that there was a plausible scenario where impeachment proceedings would commence and that would be the scenario they'd have to turnover underlying evidence and make witnesses available. >> the fixation has been on the obstruction part of it, obviously the phone calls, is an overlooked incident in the mueller report. the collusion question still remains as a po...

Robert mueller throughout this entire process really heed to the guidelines if there was any other criminal activity it went to other districts. michael cohen pleaded in a case that was not involving his office and that was the campaign finance reform but we learned when the search warrants became publicly docketed two weeks ago, in fact, that investigation did start with mueller's office. so the system there worked. and robert mueller followed the guidelines. so for the president if there's anything else that came up and it could be for anybody else that was associated with donald trump's cam...