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To put it mildly. federal investigators exploring where they have trumps colluding. and seized on it as a fertile avenue to move it forward. the web of financial ties could offer a concrete path for prosecution in the campaign. >> they are saying, we'll not get him on the collusion stuff and so we will look at his finances and associates in russia. can you do that? >> you can. the special counsel was given a broad man date from rosen stein and it was very, very general. and like the epa would do, and they are connected to a larger pool and you do the same thing here. and as long as these crime...

Counsel's office. put it mildly. exploring whether donald trump's campaign russian spies have seized on trump's and his financial ties to russia as one of the most fertile avenues for moving their probe forward according to people with the investigation. the web of financial ties could offer a more concrete path toward potential prosecution than the broader and murkier questions of collusion in the campaign. so basically they are just saying we're not going to get him on the collusion stuff so we're going to make up an entirely new investigation into the finances of his family, his associates ...

Look, steve, the reality is this president has been under estimated for a very long time the media got it wrong when he jumped into this race. the media is still getting it wrong. he has been one step ahead of the media at all turengts. that's what really frustrates them. steve: you are right with them getting it wrong. at the get-go putin and trump are allies and this is all going to be very chummy. and then we heard about the collusion stuff. and then we heard the president say i can't imagine relations between the countries being worse than they are right now. i want to show you what vanity...

As well. so he's correct that if there's going to be progress in this area it probably would be in the area of claim of abuse of power. >> this was supposed to look at the possible collusion. is it mueller's face to widen the cope of this and look for obstruction of justice or other high crimes? >> well, it's part of his mandate. the rosenstein mandate said look at the counterintelligence, look at the collusion stuff, look at whether or not there's been any efforts to obstruct justice. it's right in the order that covers the cfr vrs that covers his behavior. he's expandsed liz investigation. i...

>> elvira: "washington post" article very interesting. at the bottom of the article it says that michael rogers, nsa director, said president trump allegedly told him that if there's no evidence, if there is no evidence. in than what the headline is saying is that trump said to rogers, say there is no evidence. that's a small word but it's very big in context. we have to understand that apparently the president said to rogers, if there is no investigation, go out publicly and say it. that's not correct either because president trump apparently didn't know rogers couldn't say one way or the oth...