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And with pointed correction that would stay with you for the rest of your life. that's what he was all about, he was serious about being serious. and he was an awfully nice guy on top of it. >> and colonel jack, i wonder too if you can speak to peter's lovely anecdote, even in his final days, final weeks, secretary powell was focused on the woman who had been his partner for five plus decades, focused on alma and her health and how she was doing. that's where his concern and his focus was. >> well, everything about him was god, country, and family. that was it. there were few things more impor...

>> no, i was going to say, we were talking earlier about his disinclination to use the military instrument of power, and it's interesting to note that one of the things that drove that was his experience in vietnam. don't forget, he went to vietnam very early in the war. he got there fully ten years before we finally withdrew all combat forces. and a dozen years before the north vietnamese took over. he was an adviser there. and he knew exactly how the military instrument of power could be used and misused. so it's no surprise that he was a reluctant user of the military instrument of power. >...

I think colonel jack just really hit on sort of the essence of colin powell in many ways when he talked about young people who are now not so young who look at him as a mentor. i think young people who are still very young particularly in the military look at him as a mentor because of the trails he blazed. i think it's sort of sad that the first line in colin powell's obituary was about his testimony to the u.n. on weapons of mass destruction, because that sort of is the one blight in his otherwise immense career. and i think when you put that aside and you just look at the barriers he broke ...

Have to ashoe doing the one thing in favor of another if they're both important. you have to be good at being who you are. and if you do that you're going to wind up being a good soldier and a good father at the same time. >> colonel jack, thank you for that. it is an important point here. we want to pause for a moment here as the secretary's hearse is removed or casket i should say is removed from the hearse. a somber moment at the national cathedral. there are people lining the area here. let's listen.

Here that in fact the taliban have taken that area. we don't have full confirmation of that, geoff. >> and colonel jack, the european officials said they are willing to cooperate with the new taliban government as long as they meet certain conditions, they don't export terrorism, and the taliban respects human right of law, and have you seen any signs whatsoever that they will comply with those things? >> no, and they may not do it, and they may not do it because they may not be able to. we tend to think of the taliban as a monolithic organization and because they are using terror to keep ever...