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Short-term basis. but surely, even if you're going to focus on strategy, you'll see no return to the united states. >> so, the american voter, colonel jack, isn't, in your view, getting anything out of this situation. so, was this the president's attempt to help those lower-level negotiators here, in a way, to push it forward? >> i think the thing to do is to start at the end and work backwards, like just about anything else. what is it we're trying to achieve? well, strategically, we'd really like to see north korea give up its nuclear weapons. it is not going to do that under any circumstanc...

That marks a shift and not an insignificant one. jo, when you look at the way the president was trying to unstick these negotiations, that was clearly a sticking point for kim. and one of the more interesting but subtle comments that came out of these last 12 hours is the president talking about the hanoi summit, which is widely regarded as a failure because they failed to reach an agreement. he thinks of it as a success because he learned something. and what you're hearing from the president, he thinks he understands what kim's pushes and pulls are and how he can be a better negotiator with h...

By tehran but also locally orchestrated for their own reasons locally. >> colonel jack, one last question for you. we don't have a defense secretary in place right now. yesterday was patrick shanahan's last day. the acting secretary doesn't start until monday. how dangerous is that? >> it's been dangerous for a long time. when shanahan was the acting secretary, we didn't have a secretary of defense either. he was the deputy secretary that means he's the chief operating officer. he does all the administration and logistics and so on. policy was being directed by john bolton on the one hand and ...

By all indications, there was a message passed to the iranians and they sent, you know, back to president trump. we got the message. i think that might have had something to do with president trump calling off the attack. i don't really think it had to do with casualties. he got cold feet. but now the question is, you know, what kind of message does this send to iran? does it send a message keep testing us? they're likely to do. at some point president trump is going to be forced to make that decision. whether he's going to respond or not. and that could lead to a further escalation with ameri...

Maybe some kind of modifications. but any deal he would make with iran would look very much like the old one. >> that's interesting. colonel jack, i want to follow up on this front. trump said that there might have been a mistake made in knocking down this drone and bringing it down. what do you think of that given what transpired? >> well, we tend to think of our enemies and particularly iran as being monolithic. there is an unbroken chain of command. but as we've seen before, there's a lot of freelancing taking place in the region. and don't forget also that iran has lots of proxies in the a...