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Large of national review online and kirsten powers is new york post column nis, both are fox news contributors. so that's the interesting question, you know, if he gets it through, we looked at that yesterday, if he gets it through, what happens, if he doesn't get it through, jonah, what does it mean for the president? >> well, as was foretold in the book of revelations, the waters will turn to blood. no. but i think if it doesn't go through, which i think is still a big if, something called health care reform, even if it's just a commenration of door stop leak or something, something is going...

>> i'm reminded of that every day. >> well, yeah. so we can spend the remainder of the time with our respective talking points, going back and forth. we are supposed to be talking about insurance. mig juliane epstein is democratic campaign consultant, andrea santoras is a column nis and fox news contributor, they are both here knew. juliane, what was the president doing? >> i think the president was saying let's stop playing poptician and let's start playing ball with the american people. the republicans have continued to move the goal post on the question of health care, they first said let's...

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