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Ferocious. by a layman's count dozens and dozens of shots fired and people screaming get down. can you describe what your officers and what the capitol officers were facing when they came in? >> i won't go into the specifics of the investigation but i've heard the video and talks with some of my officers at least, or some of them, and quite frankly it was not only chaotic, but there was -- it was a combat situation, and that's something that law enforcement is trained to do. our officers are trained to do. i'm very proud of the officers at apd and the officers from the capitol police who stood...

Ferocious. by a layman's count, dozens and dozens of shots fired and people screaming. can you describe what your officers and the capital officers were facing when they came and clucked back >> i won't go into the specifics of the investigation but i've heard the video and i've talked to my officers at least and some of them, quite frankly it was not only chaotic but it was a combat situation. that is something law enforcement is trained to do and our officers are trained to do. i am proud of the officers at apd and the capitol police. more will come out when the facts are known in the invest...

Ferocious. by a layman's account, dozens and dozens of shots fired and people screaming to duck down. can you describe what your officers and what the capitol officers were facing when they came in? >> i won't go into the specifics of the investigation, but i have heard the video, and i've talked with some of my officers, at least, and some of them, and quite frankly, it was not only chaotic, but there was a combat situation. that's something that law enforcement is trained to do. our officers are trained to do. i'm very proud of the officers at apd and the officers from the capitol police who...

Very powerful, quote/unquote. that was a while ago. now it's still not there. what do we know about where it is and how unusual is it to kind of get conflicting information about this? >> usually you don't get conflicting information. you tend to get a derve of information when you want to make a deployment going into a freedom of navigation or situation where they intend to send a message with the carrier strike route. the carl vinson battle group, appears to be continuing most of its normal operations. they would need to do this anyway because if you're going to go into a combat situation, d...

If you had gone after this target with conventional forces, first of all, it probably would have taken conventional forces, not simply special operations because of the large size of it, you would have put a lot of soldiers at risk. it would have been a far more complex operation. you would have had casualties as a result of it. this really made a lot of sense to go after this target at this moment. >> and general hertling, if the president didn't know about it in advance, didn't sign off on it, didn't need to sign off on it, is that normal protocol? >> in this case, yeah. it is a tactical wea...