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Ideas that do not involve putting combat units, american units on the ground there. what are they? how do we defeat isis without actually doing that? >> i'm not suggesting that we will not eventually need some ground combat forces but i still think it's within the realm of possibility to avoid it and support the iraqi security forces in iraq. the first thing we need is a strategy to deal with syria and the defeat of isis in it. that's their headquarters that's where they resupply from that's where they're recruiting from that's where they're training from. they have grown 70% in the last nine ...

To fight isis don't have weapons. these are policy issues. the first policy issue does it matter? it matters then ask for five six, seven point plan to increase what we do within certain parameters. one of those for me is no u.s. military major combat units. don't put brigade back or division back. arm the people out. >> it's also complicated. you can't buy into the my enemy is my friend. not in this case. it seems we're on the same side as iran in iraq. it seems the more we do against isis in syria the more we're assisting bashar al-assad. >> if we think that isis as we call it here in the un...

But the first policy issue is what you said. does it matter? if it matters, then ask for five six, seven point plan to increase what we do within certain parameters. and one of those for me is no u.s. military major combat units. don't put a brigade back or a division back. use special forces use predators, use air strikes and arm the people out there. ff's all so complicated. you can't buy into the my enemy is my friend. not in this case. i mean, it seems like we're on the same side as iran when we're in iraq. it seems that the more that we do against isis in syria the more that we're assisti...

>> what are the consequences of inaction? >> that we have a terrorist sanctuary nation. it's a nation. it's got a couple million people. s's larger than about 3 dozen nation s ins in the u.n. it straddles the iraqi border. it's a country and it will train terrorists and send them places like here. >> we have leaders telling us about we have to train the iraqi army. that nthasn't worked. >> we've been training the iraqi army for, what ten years now. >> exactly. did he end at the end of the day, is there any alternative to boots on the ground if we want to have the substantial impact? >> yeah, t...

Define it as combat units we don't need to do that. special forces units, yes. we could arm the kurds. we haven't been doing that. we could arm sunni militia. we haven't been doing that because the baghdad government doesn't want us to. we could provide air support for the iranian-backed shia militia. >> brian, do these options make sense to you? >> only some of them but those are largely focused on weapons and kinetics. what i think we also need to talk about is how do we actually cut off the financing of these groups, and i think we've taken some measures if you saw the special operations ra...