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And not for any other reason. if you're questioning the need for existence of i.c.e., you're questioning the need for the existence of sovereignty as a nation and our borders. that is a problem. so it's not citizens that they're enforcing on, it's not people who should be here, it's people who have actively made a decision to come to the country illegally and not follow -- >> we did make the decision. harris: john, i want to come to you? >> our nation was formed by great men and based on the idea of laws, following the law. and we have a situation, at least on our ranch, where ms-13s come thro...

If you're questioning the need for existence of i.c.e., you're questioning the need for the existence of sovereignty as a nation and our borders. that is a problem. so it's not citizens that they're enforcing on, it's not people who should be here, it's people who have actively made a decision to come to the country illegally and not follow -- >> we did make the decision. harris: john, i want to come to you? >> our nation was formed by great men and based on the idea of laws, following the law. and we have a situation, at least on our ranch, where ms-13s come through, and it's pretty scary. we...