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So highly politicized and controversial that even if there is some smoking gun, i don't know if people will believe him. >> john: i think the pressure is not obstruction of justice alone, the fbi director works for the president. the constitution says very explicitly that the executive power shall be vested in the president of the united states. it does not say, except when jim coming's director of the fbi, he has an executive power. even if trump had done it, it would be permissible. >> kennedy: what will come down to what the testimony and the memorandum? is it going to come down to word par...

From the comey side, apparently asked comey to go easy on michael flynn who had just been fired as the national security advisor. it is one thing to read it in the paper or to read a quote. it is a very different thing when james comey is testifying about that in public and my guess he will testify about that part in public before he speaks behind closed doors in a classified hearing. >> shannon: the f.b.i. thus far has declined to turn over the memos if they do exist. it will be from his mouth. don't you anticipate there will be gop senators who will say if it was such an egregious request ma...

Totally agree with noel. i really hope this isn't just the comey side of the story, but democrats and republicans alike. no answers. a lot of speculation. we need to get to the heart of the fact before we start throwing the book at everybody. arthel: as we have this discussion with live pictures there in riyadh on this historic trip by president trump anticipating the inauguration of the global center for combating extremist ideology along with king salman and you brought up a point in terms political band and political perspective, perhaps getting an way of this this investigation and they we...

Seriously inside and outside of the be, there is risk, and you really would rather go on the record with people who can speak for the record, sometimes you can't. using person of interest that is a different meaning than target, i think a lot of folks in media contemplate those 2, just that you are talking to someone that could be a person of interest. >> there have been a gusher of leaks from the comey side. and there is a i think we have video of it. a story in which comey described to his pals at fbi he was trying to blend in with the curtains in a white house ceremony, and

Your read on this component? >> i think what's interesting about this is that there are things being leaked to tell the comey side of the story. benjamin wittes, chris is right, obviously didn't come out and fly solo on this and talk about comey's inner thoughts. comey wants to tell his story. as we talked about before, if rob mueller said he's a witness and i don't want him to testify in congress in an open setting and confusing the news with his story, then comey will not get his chance and we'll probably be seeing more of these leaks. the interesting thing about your question, chris, about ...