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American legion has called explicitly for general shinseki to be fired, for him to resign over the failure to fix these problems. as far as i know, iava hasn't said that organizationally yet. it sounds like you just got kind of close. what are your personal feelings on that and where does iava come down on that? how important is he individually? >> he's very important. he sets the tone, sets the command climate. he has to be the advocate in chief on behalf of our veterans. there's an old saying that sometimes the v.a. stands for veterans advocate, and sometimes it stands for veterans adversary...

American legion has called explicitly for general shinseki to be fired, for him to resign over the failure to fix these problems. as far as i know, iava hasn't said that organizationally yet. it sounds like you just got kind of close. what are your personal feelings on that and where does iava come down on that? how important is he individually? >> he's very important. he sets the tone, sets the command climate. he has to be the advocate in chief on behalf of our veterans. there's an old saying that sometimes the v.a. stands for veterans advocate, and sometimes it stands for veterans adversary...

>> i think so. i wouldn't go so far as saying conceal and carry for everyone on post for reasons, having served in command climate, maintaining discipline. that may not be what you need. but more officers carrying on a regular basis on a concerted rotation. everywhere you go where everyone knows everyone is not armed that makes everyone more vulnerable. in this particular case hadç someone been carrying at this particular facility maybe someone would have been stopped. most americans don't realize it's a gun-free zone in many ways on these posts that weapons are locked up in the arms lockers...

Taking that one step forward. what that means sue have to validate every piece of that information coming in before you act upon it. to tom's very point he's absolutely spot on. initial assessment is what we're hearing right now is provided as a spot report. there's significant work that needs done and we have to validate every piece of that >> you're hearing from fort hood themselves and base communication is tough and given the size we're talking about 50,000 plus people. >> the concerns of the families at the same time you're trying to get to the bottom of what's going on. >> let me just as...

Senator mccaskill's work, advocacy and dedication. i also will be supporting her amendment today because i think the provisions in that amendment will add even more positive changes to the command climate and will help victims feel like they have a stronger voice. >> still not clear exactly when there will be a vote on that amendment, but -- or on the bill but we do expect it this week. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." thomas roberts is up next. the agenda next hour, president obama and president bill clinton coming face to face for the first time since the former preside...