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Appropriateness of tasing a man who has already been tased who is simply not sitting up? can he even be cognizant of what he's being asked to do? >> the problem is the lack of enough guidelines. every situation is different that law enforcement officers confront. even if you have guide lines for how to use less than lethal force, and that's what we're talking about here, they won't apply to every single situation. so the things these police officers are going to have to contend with is at some point the command decision was made to take this man to the emergency room. then once they are at the...

So even without a specific threat they make a really good command decision. i don't think this should be missed by anybody. this is a good command decision to put s.w.a.t. officers there who have a rifle with them. this is what made a difference. i bet we find out in the end we don't know if they used handgun or long gun but they won the gun battle quickly and were s.w.a.t. officers. that's an indication they probably had their long guns deployed. whether or not these potential mass murderers had rifles they were using or pistols we don't know. they certainly lost the gun battle when they met ...

>> all right. david, you know, on other nights, they gave the protesters a little bit more leeway, a little bit more time to get their acts together and to go inside or go wherever they're going to go, this seemed a bit different because it happened just a couple minutes after the hour, after the curfew. >> i think you're absolutely correct it's different. and i would disagree with the hypothesis that they're frustrated and acting differently. this is a command decision from well above those line officers. there's two things we need to understand, one, the law has been stated. it was very clea...

That's when they retreated back to where we are. as note fall has come, it has gotten increasingly violent and unpredictable. that's one of the reasons we are staying closer to the police. >> have police attempted to affect an arrest in any way? >> remember earlier we talked in the 8:00 hour and they arrested looters of the stores. there was a deals store looted. and the police had enough force that they were able to come in an arrest those looters. but 1s s, 3s, 4s, arrested. out here you have so many agitators and you're in a much more dense population. it is a lot more difficult for the pol...

They have all these backups built into the plane's system so you also have human error so whether someone can adequately troubleshoot a situation in the air, which is an emergency, which is under high pressure so i think a lot more training in that regard would probably be very helpful. >> i think that's going to be the case, when we figure it all out, joe. here's the thing, at 32,000 feet, they sent out a call, we want to go to 38000 feet. then they go off radar. it seems like they were already in trouble. when you look at that weather map, why did they let them take off in the first place wh...