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Brilliant and handled the confirmation hearing. you know, everybody else said he's very conservative, but there is justice thomas, who would overturn a law tomorrow like roe v. wade he would overturn it tomorrow and then they said, john roberts, will not overturn roe v. wade tomorrow, but he would be the type of guy that -- that year by year, would strip away at the intellectual foundations of -- they weren't saying specifically roe v. wade but saying, he would strip away at the intellectual foundations that he disagrees -- which he disagreed over time because he knew that legitimacy mattered....

Law guy, i do have to say, though, this is an open wound. i will show this side. for conservatives we are always charlie brown. we are always running towards the football. >> that's the point. >> we always get to the football and lucy always picks it up and we fall flat on our back and it happened again yesterday. >> that dam lucy, yeah. you know. but having said that, i think there's a lot of merit to the long ball argument here. there are going to be a lot of other redeeming decisions if you will coming down the pike. but yesterday was a head turner and a scratcher for a lot of conservatives...

We'll leave it to the voters. you know, there are conservatives like george will, i have to say this also, who say this sort of quote judicial restraint is -- is a dereliction of duty. there is an intellectual argument to say what he did yesterday was too clever by half and i think it's going to be great debate among conservative jurists for, god, the next 100 years. >> coming up -- >> this is a huge decision. >> it was amazing. and surprised. >> comifg up -- >> by the way, everybody today, we just have to say, even though we've gone too long, mika, let's just not pretend today that i wouldn'...

Mean it's a fair argument. having said that, eugene robinson, talk about the significance of what happened yesterday and not gloating, i was totally surprised by it. this is a president who got something done that, you know, presidents before him could not. that seemed impossible. and it now counter to the republican angle that you're talking about now that i think is a fair opening, they will look like they're trying to undo what this president got done. which i'm not sure is necessarily going to be that effective in the long run. what do you think, eugene? >> i tend to agree, mika. i mean, n...

It. but it also turned out that fife justices said it is a legitimate use of congress's taxing authority. so what happened is chief justice roberts joined the conservatives in saying you can't justify the law under that commerce clause argument, but then he switched and joined the liberals, but you can justify it as a legitimate use of the congressional taxing power and that's what made the difference. so a 5-4 decision upholding the law, saying it's a legitimate use of the congressional taxing power. there's another part to this, 26 states have challenged another part of the law and said if t...