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Through the habeas process. 38 succeeded in the cases and 20 were deemed as lost their cases before the court. the administration is taking a pragmatic approach if they commit to commissions which they seem to move toward to use commission process as another way to disclose of cases at grit mo -- gitmo. >> jamie: what do you think in terms of putting together to make a decision to have the military tribunals again? what does it leave guantanamo bay in terms of keeping it open or closing it as the president said two years ago? >> the president didn't spend any political capital whatsoever to ma...

That would be a big change in america. would he consider, if the commission recommends it, would he consider it? >> as you know, the president cut taxes for 95% of workers in the stimulus. many, many billions of dollars. >> yes, that's true. >> the president's committed to this bipartisan fiscal commission process. and he's going to seriously consider all the things that they put forward, and he's going to look at them. that doesn't mean that he's supporting vats. we haven't even contemplated that. >> but if they recommend that -- >> i'm not going to get into a hypothetical thing about it. he'...