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Billion. so he might a teensy little start. that deserves maybe a b minus. but it is an indication of how digs functional it has been. >> it is so timid to talk about 5 billion out of an 800 billion program which will grow from the very tippy top. that is now defined, at least in tim pawlenty's mind, as courage. >> yes. but if you go for that tiny little bite, if you want to call it that, on the biggest program on the budget, then you cannot avoid the math of the tax. if you won't significantly means test social security or get rid of things like the ethanol subsidy entirely, $6 billion year, ...

8.2%, that's slightly lower than the national average, but it's worse than 25 other states, including, and i have not seen this noted anywhere else lately, including every single one of texas's neighboring states, louisiana, arkansas, oklahoma, and new mexico. in fact, if presiding over a local commodity boom is the best qualification for government, then the governor of north dakota with its 3% unemployment rate should be your guy. joining me now is jim hightower, former agricultural commissioner of texas, and erica greider, for many this is their introduction, rick perry, of course, you ran ...