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Citizens who aren't using messages apps like skype and viber and those sorts of things. >> this means if the government fully shuts the spigot off they have taken away a personal freedom here that will never be accepted. >> right. it wasn't that they were giving people access to the communication tools willingly in a way that they wanted to but the way that technology is spreading across the world, iranian people have expectations and desires to connect just like everybody else. in a moment like this, when the system really tries to shut it down, those sort of the concerns and desires to stay ...

Of the world. i think that the crackdown that took place in 2009 following the contested re-election -- >> right. >> the digital crackdown and the suppressing of different communication tools was much more effective at that time if that's what they are going for. >> walk me through this. you said in 2009 -- >> yeah. >> we don't know the exact numbers but say 15% of the country was connected on social media. let's say that was the number. now it's what 60, or 70 -- who is not on social media on iran? >> it's hard to put a precise number -- >> but it is a different situation. >> it is a complete...

On north korea were imposing binary choices that pushed the u.s. toward war, telling "the washington post" friday, quote, you cannot publicly castrate your own secretary of state without giving yourself that binary choice. in an interview yesterday secretary rex tillerson spoke about trump's leadership style before responding to corker's statement. >> i think this is an unconventional president. he uses unconventional communication tools. he uses unconventional techniques to motivate change. people in this town get very nervous and get very up tight about having to address serious issues by ma...

>> i think this is an unconventional president. he uses unconventional communication tools and techniques to meet vat change. for people that have been around washington a long time this is a place that you know better than i, you have been here longer than i have, this is a place that doesn't like to change. enjoys status quo. last thing anyone in this town likes to do is make a change. so whether it is health care, or action he just took, whether executive orders around immigration, to motivate that change or under the action he took under the iran deal, to motivate a change. people in this ...

Time. he says you're one of the best things about the cabinet. he's dismayed, thinking the president is constantly undermining. he said the president has, quote, caster ated you before the world stage. that's his world, not mine. what's your response to that? >> as i indicated earlier, jake, i think this is an unconventional president. he uses unconventional communication tools, uses unconventional techniques to motivate change. for those that have been around washington a long time, this place doesn't like change. enjoys the status quo. the last thing anyone likes to do in this town is make a...