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More to follow, as you say. now that he's out of office, the senate can subpoena him, get sworn testimony and ask him what was going on. >> and he potentially has a really interesting story to tell, especially when it's john mccain doing the asking. >> well, no question, and, you know, vice president pence may well have been told a falsehood. you know, again, having watched the weasels work in washington on multiple administrations, i would have assumed that that was a deniability factor, where they said, well, we'll put the vice president out there dealing with this news headline, it will go ...

The weasels work in washington on multiple administrations, i would have assumed that that was a deniability factor, where they said, well, we'll put the vice president out there dealing with this news headline, it will go away and that's what was going on. this is very dangerous business. you know, there's a lot of comment on mr. abe and the president at mar-a-lago and the inappropriate conversation. presidents travel, as you know, overseas with a couple of thousand people domestically with several hundred. normally the national security adviser security personnel, you know, classified commun...

Adviser security personnel, you know, classified communications capability, very bizarre. this white house is not even remotely functioning yet as it should. >> yes, we noted as did reporters who were along, the wedge salad was served and cleared and made way for the first course all of which was accompanied by this scurry over a missile launch in north korea. general barry mccaffrey who i neglected to point out in his years as drug czar for the united states gave him just enough experience in washington to appreciate a proper use of the word, weasels. general, thank you. it's always a pleasur...

Really interesting story to tell, especially when it's john mccain doing the asking. >> well, no question, and, you know, vice president pence may well have been told a falsehood. you know, again, having watched the weasels work in washington on multiple administrations, i would have assumed that that was a deniability factor, where they said, well, we'll put the vice president out there deali with this news headline, it will go away and that's what was going on. this is very dangerous business. you know, there's a lot of comment on mr. abe and the president at mar-a-lago and the inappropriate...

communications capability between the cabin and the flight deck. and i think that they will have streaming data. we must have streaming data from this point forward. there's just no excuse for this frantic search on the bottom of the ocean. >> jeff, we'll put the last question to you. i think it's a question that many of us have considered. when will the search be considered a failure? this person who put this don mont said, i think this plane is lost forever. >> that's really the million dollar question right now. i was surprised to hear they decide to call off the surface search. there's ...