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And they do represent the congressional hispanic caucus so their states are involved and the question here has been what is the threshold for criminal. is it just that they are criminal because they came in illegally, some of them 20 years ago, or is it criminal because they are violent criminals, and that is the distinction we're simply trying to ascertain. they have not been briefed on it. in terms of reince priebus -- >> i think everything the president has done is pretty sensible. i don't think he's done anything crazy and the press keeps trying to -- even the so-called muslim ban. it was ...

Them believe that either today or tomorrow there would be some sort of public reckoning. do you think there was some sort of political or public relations mistake that led the community to think that the legal process would be handled differently? respond to that. >> i think what we heard police commissioners say early today, that was his decision and not the decision of the mayor. i think there was a communications issue here. i think you and the media, you know that this process is longer than what was already reported. there's a process. the documents have been turned over to the state's at...

Secondly, getting people like millennials to sign on is going to be awfully tough. they don't have a lot of faith in government. they don't think government is very efficient. they're not as hot on the president as they were a couple of years ago. it's going to be really tough to get this implemented. if it does get implemented, republicans are going to trip over themselves and play politics. >> they try to own it, right? you could see republicans in states where it's working turn and and try to say -- >> try to ono bomb ma care? >> yeah. jan brewer, maybe it will be brewer care in arizona. th...

Cliff negotiations. and you don't have to stare it to know they're all men. how much is an optics problem and how much is a very real problem? >> i think the majority of the problem is optical and also a communications issue. even if you look at the timing of the rollout, some of his previous nominees. look at the chuck hagel nominee. they've been hanging them out to dry essentially. and for members of congress to have their opportunity to throw shots at them. it's been rather interesting and rare that the transition has been so bumpy, especially for a president going into its second term. but...

Is, how do you balance the expectations of a community at the same time know that you've got to be the president of everybody? i think you need to do more to communicate that. >> governor, you faced this question during your tenure as the first african-american governor since reconstruction and the question about whether or not you're sort of relatively deracialized bay of governing the state, whether it was doing enough. is it a communications issue? >> part of that. but more of the thing that i was also concerned about is while i left there you could see that imprint. you could see people wh...