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He seems to be trying to self-impeach. i'm so feeble i can't do this by myself. so let me use the levers of state craft to get help from foreign governments? >> yeah, nicole, i think a few things are going on here. first of all this is president trump just coming up with the message on the fly himself. we know that's how the communications operation in the west wing works. it's really driven by the demander in chief. burt it's also a flashback in that moment to the 2016 campaign when addressing our friend katy tur, president trump said, russia, if you're listening and then called on the russia...

So think about, for example, this witch hunt idea. president trump has repeatedly called the mueller investigation a witch hunt. bill barr does not agree with that. that was a question i posed to mercedes schlapp involved in the communications operation at the white house. she said, listen, bill barr has his own idea about certain things, side stepped the question a bit. that is something where these two don't see eye to eye. the other piece of it, though, is the idea of what might we see, the big question, ali, from this mueller investigation and this report when and if it's released because ...

Of the recommendation, and that's why we wound up getting a special counsel in large part because rosenstein was like, oh, would you, we can't be fair. we can't investigate this. you know, i need to have this be clean of conflict. i can't do it. i have to give it to somebody else, and he gave it to someone then that the gop all loved in the form of bob mueller. this is on the president. and, yes, it hurt people like you. yes, it put stink on people like you. that's on him, not lester holt. >> i don't agree entirely with what you're saying, chris. i think the lester holt interview, like i said,...

Depending, of course, on what sort of report special counsel robert mueller issues regarding obstruction of justice. and so there is concern that trump is not prepared for that, that he hasn't hired the kind of lawyers to his legal team who can really manage an impeachment battle with congress. he certainly has in rudy giuliani a fierce and vocal defender and somebody willing to wage this public relations battle with mueller, but he's not exactly what a lot of trump allies believe the president would need in an impeachment lawyer. but there's also concern that the white house itself has not bu...

President meet with putin with just a translater there, but he said that's not my job. and i think in terms of, mike allen can talk about this, i think in terms of the intelligence community i think their heads are spinning because there's never been anything like this. they haven't been debriefed completely according to reporting at cnn and elsewhere, and then to set up another summit immediately after is head scratching. makes you wonder if the president is just angry that everybody is angry at him. >> how fast are those heads spinning? >> they were pretty fast. my impression yesterday was t...