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If this doesn't work, how does he get the trust of the american public to do immigration reform or to implement immigration reform? they know this. the president knows this. this is why they feel the pressure in the moment but also why the implementation, if it doesn't work. the repercussions will be far beyond health care. >> ari, from a communications perspective, put yourself in jay carney's position. what advice would you give the president? >> i would advise jay to get in the private sector. >> so snarky. >> they will be together some day. i'm going to buy a ticket. they will. >> i'm alwa...

You can lower your monthly payments and you will be able to go to -- >> you just made a comment that is factually inaccurate. >> what's that? >> no premiums have gone down. they've gone up. >> if you read that story -- >> they've risen faster than they were rising prior to obama coming on. >> but they have not gone down. you're forecasting the future. >> maybe in 3020. >> maybe. >> from the communications perspective when you talk to the white house, are they concerned that this is -- that obama care continues to be like lead weights around their ankles? october 1st is when the exchanges suppo...

I think people like congressman mcdermott -- >> that's one point for him to make when he's talking to his other republi or one-on-one with an interviewer or me. heas the victim sitting there, right in front of him. the one woman was in tears moments earlier and his respon^ sounded callous to some. democrats are frustrated because this is a serious situation that hasn't been handled well. from a communications perspective, it has not been handled well either. but it's a difficult situation. there seems to be some -- seems to have been some serious wrongdoing that took place on president obama'...

White house a little bit. apart from surrendering leverage, this from with all due respect from a communications perspective and messaging, they're extraordinarily reactive on this stuff. what if the president, because this is an option, if the president said no, we're not going to take this ala carte approach, on the day that i'm supposed to be signing this bill, i'm going to go to a couple of head start clinics. why not put, it's an open question to the white house, why not put the force and power of the presidency behind this point? >> i think this is not only exactly right. i want to note ...

>> kimberly: quack, quack. >> bob: the thing that occurs to me, greg gets upset with me talking about this, but this reminds me of the catholic church scandals because -- >> kimberly: you said it already. >> bob: do you mind if i expand it? >> kimberly: you can. but it won't go over well. >> bob: no, i won't say anything. >> greg: you can say something. >> dana: what is your point? >> bob: the catholic church suffered so much financial damage because they covered it up, a lot of parishs had to close down. a lot of places in the inner city had to close down. i have not said it before. >> kimber...