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It, which is to say, it is about political point scoring, that involves a broad range of things that, that don't really tie up or match up. >> do you think that they can continue as we just saw from the congressman, argue they need a do-over of what they did in the house, under republican control and in senate intelligence committee and from the pickering commission? >> it is also perplexing the way the congressman, who, i am sure, is honorable in what he believes is something there to be investigated. but it is perplexing the way he described something like stone walling. there have been thou...

Commission? >> it is also perplexing the way the congressman, who, i am sure, is honorable in what he believes is something there to be investigated. but it is perplexing the way he described something like stone walling. there have been thousands and thousands of documents supplied. that's not most people's definition of stone walling. he said it just in response to a question, that nobody had been held to account. nobody. and in fact, four state officials lost their jobs which does mean somebody was held to account. now you can say they weren't the right people. but that's not the case that ...

Executive editor of msnbc.com. what, if anything, do you take away from that conversation with some one who is on the committee and believes this, this dedicated investigation is still necessary? >> well, i think the congressman is confused. he doesn't seem to be clear whether this investigation is about what the secretary knew, what the military response could have been, or, in fact, what he said was the tipping point, the tipping point for the whole thing, turns out to be, the white house communications response. that's why his last response was so perplexing. you ask him why are you so inte...