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Agreement as to the direction that the white house is going to go from a communications perspective and then doesn't get caught up in being the person on television and doesn't get caught in the day-to-day management of the press shop in the white house, but keeps the white house in all of its power and all of its people moving in the right direction. and that's going to be a big challenge for anybody, that's going to be a big challenge here on this white house given where they are today. melissa: so one of the biggest problems has been when the communications director or anyone on the communi...

This point. certainly the senate committee. >> right. so -- >> the information, that would be as critical -- because then it could be turned over -- i hear you. but if we got the information out, that would be more important. >> we are trying to figure out how this can be fairly looked into and how these questions can be fairly addressed during this crisis. how does this presidency function, this entire administration, at least the domestic side and definitely on the communications side, has lost all credibility. >> well, they're incapable of functioning effectively. i mean, for a white house ...

He wasn't close to it. that is guy that never went to the headquarters. he did not have a pass to go to the headquarters. he had never met donald trump. nor had he met people like jason miller and those of us in the communications side. he did not know the strategy people. and so, for the fbi to even be investigating him is odd to me but i can tell you in terms of his proximity to donald trump or his proximity to the decision makers or the inner circle, there was absolutely none. >> david, does that matter, whether he met someone or not, or because the president did mention him? >> yeah. look....

That is guy that never went to the headquarters. he did not have a pass to go to the headquarters. he had never met donald trump. nor had he met people like jason miller and those of us in the communications side. he did not know the strategy people. and so, for the fbi to even be investigating him is odd to me but i can tell you in terms of his proximity to donald trump or his proximity to the decision makers or the inner circle, there was absolutely none. >> david, does that matter, whether he met someone or not, or because the president did mention him? >> yeah. look. at that point in time,...